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A shared host  <-> 23%121 votes
A dedicated host  <-> 26%138 votes
My home connection  <-> 40%214 votes
UML  <-> 3%18 votes
Xen  <-> 3%19 votes
Total 522 votes

Posted by simonw (84.45.xx.xx) on Thu 1 Sep 2005 at 20:55
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My UML is running a shared server, my own site is just one of them ;)

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Posted by dan (204.83.xx.xx) on Fri 2 Sep 2005 at 15:35
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You mean I should only have one website?
My family photos on the testing box in the kitchen.
My community stuff on a shared host. Big problem with my home connection is the slow upload speed and reliability of the DSL link and frequent extended power outages.
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Dan Hunt, St. Brieux Saskatchewan Canada

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Posted by Steve (82.41.xx.xx) on Fri 2 Sep 2005 at 20:08
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Good point, perhaps "main website".

I have around 10 virtual hosts running upon this machine - but this is the main one in terms of time/effort/bandwidth usage.

It's also the one which most people hit.

All are running upon one dedicated host which costs me a fortune, previously they were all running on an UML instance and performed well until a slashdotting.

So they were moved to increase performance. Since then the site code has been optimized and it survived getting linked to by slashdot, and osnews (seperately) without any problems.

Steve
-- Steve.org.uk

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Posted by Anonymous (70.225.xx.xx) on Sat 3 Sep 2005 at 23:37
Three virtual sites inluding my website running on DSL home connection using dynamic DNS to make things work.

Alex

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Posted by Steve (82.41.xx.xx) on Sun 4 Sep 2005 at 07:20
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I don't know if I'm unlucky compared to most people (who I guess are in the USA, or other countries) but in the UK it seems difficult to get a home connection which allows home-hosting.

Although I have made small amounts of available via a home connection in the past I don't think that it would scale too well with the poor connectivity I currently "enjoy".

Steve
-- Steve.org.uk

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Posted by wouter (195.162.xx.xx) on Sun 11 Sep 2005 at 01:47
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Yeah, here in Belgium they cripple the networks too by blocking incoming ports (http and such, < 1024). Some ISPs have started to block outgoing ports such as smtp too, like many US ISPs already do. On the one hand, I'm happy that most virus/spam spreading windows boxes of the ignorant have a harder time filling my mailbox with crap... but it seriously sucks for advanced users. It would make it harder to do security scans from residential lines, too.

And for a static ip connection you basically pay at least the price of an UML/Xen machine, probably because residential ISPs are also hosters and want to make money any way they can.

Just imagine how beautiful the internet could have been if they wouldn't have had to come with terrible kludges such as NAT. Sure, it's nice to have desktops behind a firewall. But you could actually run your own webmail and have access to your files from everywhere.

I have been playing with static IPv6 for about five years already, but I'm sure when(/if) it finally becomes mainstream, it will be just as restricted as current IPv4... ISPs will squeeze the life out of it for a few bucks more.

I always wanted to set up a dedicated server (for myself), but somehow the geeks I know are not into getting one and splitting the costs. It's too expensive for me to justify, considering that it would probably be idle most of the time. Ofcourse, I could host sites for others there. Perhaps, one day, I can shove an old box in a rack somewhere at one of the places I work without anybody noticing... might even be a good way to cheaply start a business... ;)

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Posted by ajt (84.12.xx.xx) on Sun 4 Sep 2005 at 16:44
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Work sites are hosted on a dedicated box in telehouse.

My main site is on a shared hoest, using Apache virtual serving.

I also run a secondary site on my home server via ADSL.

I know people using Bytemark UML, and this seems quite popular, and a useful step up from a shared host.

Xen looks cool, but I don't know anyone using it anger yet, perhapse a short article here may help!

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"It's Not Magic, It's Work"
Adam

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Posted by Steve (82.41.xx.xx) on Sun 4 Sep 2005 at 21:48
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Bytemark's UML servers were very good for me. I'd suggest upping the memory, but otherwise a good service for a cheap price.

I've looked at Xen, but haven't yet gotten around to writing anything up. There are some good documents scattered about online about it eg this one.

The only complication is that you need your host kernel to be modified - which might cause problems if you're running other patches.

I don't think I could ever go back to having a shared host, unless I could install my own binaries, and Perl modules - not to mention tweak the Apache/MySQL configuration files...

Steve
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Posted by simonw (84.45.xx.xx) on Wed 7 Sep 2005 at 00:48
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UML almost always requires the SKA patches in the host kernel to get stability.

Xen wasn't as mature when we set up the UMLs, but doing it again....

I heard through the grapevine that Bytemark were also looking at Xen. However I think our performance issues with UML are because we didn't use raw partitions for the hosted filesystems.

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Posted by Anonymous (84.174.xx.xx) on Tue 13 Sep 2005 at 08:54
Xen still has it's problems. E.g. no decent SMP support, neither in the host (called dom0) nor in the virtual host (called domU).

That's a show stopper for us. However it's promised that with Xen 3.0 there will be a good support for SMP both host and virtual systems. Looking forward and later on into it.

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Posted by eric (82.252.xx.xx) on Sun 11 Sep 2005 at 19:34
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Xen seems to work good. I'm currently trying it at home to host many debian hosts on one physical machine. No problems right now, but haven't use advanced possibilities of Xen.
I read on the list xen-users that some ISP are now offering Xen hosting (can't remember the names), so I think current stable version (2.0.7?) is ready for production use.

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Posted by Anonymous (213.164.xx.xx) on Tue 13 Sep 2005 at 10:29
If you think bytemark are cheap, you should check out some of the hosting companies in Germany.
You can pick up (an admittedly aged) dedicated server for about ten pounds a month, rising to perhaps fifty for a new box from a big company.

Many don't sell outside of Germany, but www.hetzner.de do - 20 pounds per month for a AMD XP 2000+ with 1 gig of ram. Nice :)

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Posted by sabin (62.99.xx.xx) on Tue 6 Sep 2005 at 12:49
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I have an ADSL connection at home (.at) My Website is running on a sarge box though it's not that popular so the traffic isn't too much (thanks apache's deflate module). concerning the host, I bought an .org domain which was pointed to some ns-servers which allow me to update my dynamic ip every time it changes! So it works fine for me this way but I'm sure it wouldn't be enough for a more popular website. It's ok for me though!

greets!

./sabin -s

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Posted by fsateler (201.214.xx.xx) on Tue 6 Sep 2005 at 19:31
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I am currently waiting for an old pc that gets discarded, so I could use it as a full time server... Then I'd have my website on my home connection.
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Felipe Sateler

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Posted by BigSmoke (82.73.xx.xx) on Wed 7 Sep 2005 at 11:21
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I host my website (not much to see there yet, mind you) at NearlyFreeSpeech.Net. They offer rates which I could never beat by hosting anything myself. In their words: “1GB/$1 hosting with no gimmicks.”

This is very convenient. My website has been in development for months. Hardly any bandwidth and storage space has been used so far. Consequently, it hardly cost me anything.

They've also partnered with quite a cheap domain reseller, where I acquired my .US domain for about $7/year. Currently they even sell those for a little over $5/year.

It's quite worth checking out. They include SSH and SFT access which is extremely convenient for me. Their SSH environment contains most tools you could possibly need and when anyone needs anything else, they're usually quick to add it if it doesn't add a security risk. Also, you get your own MySQL process in which you can create as many databases as you like.

It's not often that I like a product or service enough to advertise is freely.

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Posted by thomasking (68.92.xx.xx) on Wed 7 Sep 2005 at 19:31
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I work with several web hosts on different sites I support... my own are on a halfway decent place called servage.net. they got me when they said up to 25 domains on one account, giving me 7500mb storage and 330gb monthly transfer for $7.50 a month. They pay for 1 registration with that. I use 1&1 to register others for $6 each per year. The problem with this host is that it is on a clustered dual xeon rack and they are sometimes pretty overworked. The acceptable use policy states in real small print that you can't resell their services, so you can't turn around and charge someone you design for to host there. Which is what I do. And also the control panel is not real hip. I like CPanel, but they are using something else, I miss the easy backup routines, web redirection utilities, script add-ons, and most of all they dont offer a decent stat program and wont give you access to the logs as they are on a cluster. But if you can live with all those probs, they give you a LOT of bang for your buck.
some of my sites: http://www.kingtechcomputerservices.com
http://www.fist-racing.com

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Posted by dopehouse (84.130.xx.xx) on Thu 8 Sep 2005 at 00:42
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I host my site at home with my ADSL connection. My site doesn't produce much traffic. Thanks to dyndns.org for the good service that coast nothing (student).

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