traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l

Submitted by elivs on Mon 20 Mar 2006

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#1
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by amadis (212.110.xx.xx) on Mon 20 Mar 2006 at 14:29
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not just simple `traceroute ...`, but `/usr/sbin/traceroute ...`. We are working as simple user, not root, yes? B-)

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#2
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Steve (212.20.xx.xx) on Mon 20 Mar 2006 at 15:16
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Even as a normal user I still have /sbin, and /usr/sbin upon my path.

There are just too many useful commands such as ifconfig which you miss if you don't have those directories accessible.

Steve

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#5
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by spiney (85.124.xx.xx) on Mon 20 Mar 2006 at 17:58
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Hmm, sarge as well as sid have traceroute (Package: traceroute) in /usr/bin. And this is the Debian Administration site, no? ;)

Besides, I don't see the point in "hiding" tools like traceroute (or ping on HPUX for example) in sbin-directories anyway, because they can be very useful to non-root users as well.
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#6
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Steve (82.41.xx.xx) on Mon 20 Mar 2006 at 19:28
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I didn't even notice that was wrong!

I'm used to having most directories on my PATH, even as a normal user.

I can remember where most important binaries are installed in case I need to run them with sudo, but I don't tend to think about it too much when things are working.

It is just systems like SCO which I have to think about where you find traceroute as /etc/traceroute.

Yet another reason to dislike SCO.

Steve

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#8
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by spiney (85.124.xx.xx) on Mon 20 Mar 2006 at 21:01
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Well, I usually don't have /sbin etc. in my normal user's path, and use traceroute quite often (part of my job), so I noticed :). Well, and don't mention SCO, I wouldn't touch their UNIX with a stick.
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#9
Its in my non-root path
Posted by elivs (202.0.xx.xx) on Tue 21 Mar 2006 at 01:05
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$ which traceroute
/usr/bin/traceroute

$ dpkg -l | grep traceroute
ii traceroute 1.4a12-20

I guess they moved the binary at some stage. For etch its in /usr/bin.

...I did test on at least one system before posting!!


Elivs

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#11
Re: Its in my non-root path
Posted by amadis (212.110.xx.xx) on Tue 21 Mar 2006 at 06:19
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It was my mistake, sorry. I try traceroute command from my workstation, currently SuSE 9.3, so traceroute located at /usr/sbin. Now I check my servers, and traceroute is at both /usr/bin and /usr/sbin B-) 


router:~# which traceroute


/usr/sbin/traceroute


router:~# su - amadis


amadis@router:~$ which traceroute


/usr/bin/traceroute


amadis@router:~$ ls -l /usr/sbin/traceroute


lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 33 Jun 20  2005 /usr/sbin/traceroute -> /etc/alternatives/traceroute.sbin


amadis@router:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/traceroute


lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 28 Jun 20  2005 /usr/bin/traceroute -> /etc/alternatives/traceroute


amadis@router:~$ ls -l /etc/alternatives/traceroute*


lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 23 Jun 20  2005 /etc/alternatives/traceroute -> /usr/bin/traceroute.lbl


lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 39 Jun 20  2005 /etc/alternatives/traceroute.8.gz -> /usr/share/man/man8/traceroute.lbl.8.gz


lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 23 Jun 20  2005 /etc/alternatives/traceroute.sbin -> /usr/bin/traceroute.lbl


amadis@router:~$

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#3
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by El_Cubano (66.93.xx.xx) on Mon 20 Mar 2006 at 16:51
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tcptraceroute is a better command since it is in /usr/bin (thus, accessible by default to non-root users) and also bypasses the need to ping, which some firewalls disallow.

-Roberto

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#4
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by sno (62.254.xx.xx) on Mon 20 Mar 2006 at 17:55
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strange, i didnt seem to have traceroute installed :) 15hops which is pretty bad, my isp routing is terrible.

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#7
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by clar2242 (81.174.xx.xx) on Mon 20 Mar 2006 at 19:48
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5 From my Bytemark VM, 9 from my ISP.

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#10
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (84.45.xx.xx) on Tue 21 Mar 2006 at 02:19
steve.org.uk is hosted by bytemark, so I'm not surprised its not far away hopwise. What Steve's webpage suggests that it is a dedicated box, which is the reason that it is 5 hops away across telehouse rather than a bit closer. UK people should find it rather close, as telehouse is one on the UK's big internet exchanges and all networks in the uk go there.

Pete

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#17
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Steve (212.20.xx.xx) on Wed 22 Mar 2006 at 11:48
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Yes the machine running this site / steve.org.uk is a dedicated host located at Bytemark

Steve

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#43
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by dom (217.147.xx.xx) on Mon 27 Mar 2006 at 10:39
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Slight exaggeration to say that *all* UK networks go there! It's also incorrect to say that Telehouse is an Internet exchange; it's not. Along with several other data centres it houses (part of) LINX, which is the biggest Internet exchange in the UK, but not all networks are there either. debian-administration.org is 7 hops away from my home desktop; my home network has connectivity from Black Cat Networks, who I work for. Incidentally, that route goes via one of the smaller exchange points, LoNAP.

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#12
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by kgfullerton (62.252.xx.xx) on Tue 21 Mar 2006 at 10:43
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13 hops from my home box (NTL) and 5 from my Bytemark VM

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#52
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Steve (82.41.xx.xx) on Wed 29 Mar 2006 at 08:39
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12 from my home ISP (telewest) and 1 from my Bytemark dedicated host ;)

Steve

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#13
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (193.60.xx.xx) on Tue 21 Mar 2006 at 11:59
hello

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#14
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (206.15.xx.xx) on Wed 22 Mar 2006 at 05:59
traceroute is blocked by my isp ; I put 31+ ( so really not accurate respose)

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#15
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Utumno (60.248.xx.xx) on Wed 22 Mar 2006 at 06:48
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25 hops from Taipei, Taiwan.

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#16
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (137.222.xx.xx) on Wed 22 Mar 2006 at 10:29
I'm in the UK and it was sodding 16 hops to get there. What a mess!

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#18
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (81.174.xx.xx) on Wed 22 Mar 2006 at 12:46
15 from Italy

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#19
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (82.77.xx.xx) on Wed 22 Mar 2006 at 13:06
12 from Romania

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#20
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (62.57.xx.xx) on Wed 22 Mar 2006 at 13:50
18 from spain :(

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#21
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by ncb (66.224.xx.xx) on Wed 22 Mar 2006 at 15:11
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22 from Oregon USA

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#22
From South Africa...
Posted by nicc777 (196.25.xx.xx) on Wed 22 Mar 2006 at 17:41
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8 Hops

There seems to be a BIG bottleneck between the Telkom (http://www.telkom.co.za/) and UK switches. 374ms was the worst time. the average inside SA is 27ms.

Cheers

Nico


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#23
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (207.102.xx.xx) on Thu 23 Mar 2006 at 00:46
18 from BC, Canada

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#24
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (85.130.xx.xx) on Thu 23 Mar 2006 at 09:37
Sofia/Bulgaria
17 Hops
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by GigaVolt

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#25
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (212.81.xx.xx) on Thu 23 Mar 2006 at 10:22
17 from Slovakia... not bad, with 1 for our router

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#26
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Krietjur (212.203.xx.xx) on Thu 23 Mar 2006 at 10:57
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14 from the Netherlands (Essent kabelcom)

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#27
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (147.229.xx.xx) on Thu 23 Mar 2006 at 22:15
15 from Czech Republic

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#28
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (15.251.xx.xx) on Fri 24 Mar 2006 at 15:30
26 hops from Oregon, USA. My ISP is Comcast.

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#29
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by bsod (82.66.xx.xx) on Fri 24 Mar 2006 at 16:48
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13 from Paris, France. My ISP is Free (free.fr)

(But the first hop is my dsl/wifi-router ;) )

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#42
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (193.252.xx.xx) on Mon 27 Mar 2006 at 08:53
12 from Lyon, France, same ISP, no router in the middle

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#30
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by trimax-fhs (200.158.xx.xx) on Fri 24 Mar 2006 at 16:59
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15 from Nova Odessa (city), São Paulo (state), Brasil

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#31
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Wayne (82.144.xx.xx) on Fri 24 Mar 2006 at 21:33
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5 hops from Global Switch, London, UK.

All under 18ms too :-)


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#32
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by rmenabney (82.195.xx.xx) on Fri 24 Mar 2006 at 22:29
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16 from way back in the dublin back woods, subtract 3 if i try it from my own gateway, but i guess that would be cheating.

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#33
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by zztopdi (217.25.xx.xx) on Sat 25 Mar 2006 at 16:01
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23 from Moscow, Russia.

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#34
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (62.212.xx.xx) on Sat 25 Mar 2006 at 16:35
well in case it interests anyone i also have another source (of 11) from another separate box but well cannot vote two times...

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#35
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (64.136.xx.xx) on Sun 26 Mar 2006 at 06:23
Interesting, it looks like it may be normally distributed!

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#37
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Steve (82.41.xx.xx) on Sun 26 Mar 2006 at 13:18
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Yeah I thought that too.

Steve

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#41
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (202.0.xx.xx) on Mon 27 Mar 2006 at 07:01
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_distribution

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#36
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (62.168.xx.xx) on Sun 26 Mar 2006 at 10:01
16 from Slovakia, with one for home router :)

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#38
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (83.73.xx.xx) on Sun 26 Mar 2006 at 16:56
16 hops from Denmark. ISP is tele2

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#39
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by rob (72.192.xx.xx) on Sun 26 Mar 2006 at 18:37
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Got 30 on both computers. Added -m to see if that number would increase but it remained 30.

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#40
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by HDM (212.104.xx.xx) on Sun 26 Mar 2006 at 19:42
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21
Plovdiv/Bulgaria

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#44
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by simonw (84.45.xx.xx) on Mon 27 Mar 2006 at 18:50
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At least for the Asia Pacific region... "There is little correlation between RTT and IP hop count for most Internet connectivity."

Or is that just to make me feel better about my Linksys router not liking traceroute ;)

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#45
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (83.23.xx.xx) on Mon 27 Mar 2006 at 21:01
15
TPSA, Poland
kayo

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#46
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (85.99.xx.xx) on Tue 28 Mar 2006 at 09:50
13 from Ankara/Turkey (12, actually, if you don't count the ADSL modem)

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#47
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (202.73.xx.xx) on Tue 28 Mar 2006 at 13:49
20 from jakarta, indonesia

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#56
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Steve (212.20.xx.xx) on Thu 30 Mar 2006 at 09:32
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Seeing comments like this just makes me wonder how far away the readers here are?

I'm utterly amazed at the different countries being mentioned. I know I shouldn't be, and that the internet is global, but it isn't often I think about what that actually means.

Steve

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#48
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (203.59.xx.xx) on Tue 28 Mar 2006 at 16:54
19 from Perth, Western Australia,
including DSL router and 5 hops in Sydney,
versus only 3 in Perth :(
About 410-470ms for all the nodes in the UK

aihtdikh

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#49
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by xrat (128.130.xx.xx) on Tue 28 Mar 2006 at 21:16
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Works for me only when I add -I (Use ICMP ECHO instead of UDP datagrams) to traceroute. Then traceroute -I debian-administration.org | wc -l gives 15 but 4 hops are from the local university's network. So, 11 hops from the Austrian academic network (ACO) to debian-administration.org at 30ms each. Not bad :-)

-- Andreas
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#50
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (204.9.xx.xx) on Wed 29 Mar 2006 at 05:34
got through 6 hops, but starting timing out afterwards

1 ed0-nva (204.9.172.1) 1.212 ms 1.015 ms 0.372 ms
2 gsr12012.ash.he.net (206.223.137.132) 7.504 ms 0.724 ms 0.852 ms
3 pos0-2.gsr12416.lon.he.net (216.66.0.93) 74.513 ms 74.847 ms 117.719 ms
4 lonap-gw-a.jump.net.uk (193.203.5.80) 115.66 ms 127.538 ms 74.218 ms
5 194.153.169.220 (194.153.169.220) 77.503 ms 74.366 ms 74.667 ms
6 rsh-access.agg2.rsh.bytemark.co.uk (80.68.80.60) 79.133 ms 74.913 ms 74.802 ms
7 *
8 *
9 *
10 *

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#51
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by xrat (193.80.xx.xx) on Wed 29 Mar 2006 at 07:57
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You may want to add -I to traceroute, see my comment just above yours :-)
-- Andreas

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#53
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (62.58.xx.xx) on Wed 29 Mar 2006 at 14:51
From The Netherlands:
15 hops from work - Versatel Fast Business Internet
12 hops from home - XS4ALL ADSL

Great website, thanks for making it happen :)

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Willem

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#54
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (143.127.xx.xx) on Wed 29 Mar 2006 at 20:53

Well, I voted with my first run, which was 27 (from Mountain View, California, USA). Curious about what the actual values were, I removed the 'wc'. Couple of things to note:

1. The second run had 25 hops listed. This from the same machine, within seconds of the first. I presume this is the result of the network finding different routes at different times, I just didn't expect to see it happen in such a small time frame.

2. There were 8 hops on my company's intranet. Seems a bit excessive. It then hit a single location, core1.ae1-bbnet2.sfo002.pnap.net, then hit 9 different systems at sprintlink.net before moving on. These were all relatively slow, from 389.382 to 546.377 ms. Based on the names, such as sl-gw19-sj-10-0-1, I'm thinking these machines are located in different cities (sj would be San Jose, for example). So it does make sense.

Then it hit eurorings.net systems, 3 total and all over 500 ms each, before hitting two no name IP addresses, then bytemark, and finally steve.org, but all at over 500 ms each.

I'm not a network expert, so I don't know how this information should be interpreted. Are the times acceptable? Is it normal to hit some particular organization's systems many times (my company in particular, sprintlink, etc.)?

Thanks.

Bob

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#55
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (68.148.xx.xx) on Thu 30 Mar 2006 at 02:31
17 hops from Edmonton AB, Canada the first one being my Debian-router box.

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#57
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (82.155.xx.xx) on Thu 30 Mar 2006 at 10:42
From Portugal:
12 from work, (one is from the router) ISP "Telepac" ( adsl )
18 from home, ( one is from de router) ISP "Cabovisao" ( cable )

Hugo

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#58
Re: traceroute debian-administration.org | wc -l
Posted by Anonymous (216.244.xx.xx) on Thu 30 Mar 2006 at 19:09
16 hops from Argentina ISP uolsinectis

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