Weblog entry #188 for Steve

Forums?
Posted by Steve on Sat 27 Oct 2007 at 15:05

Would there be any interest in hosting free-form forums here? And if-so what software should be used?

I'd want Perl-based ideally, but RUby / Python is fine. So long as I can tie the authentication into the existing user-account system..

 

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Posted by mwr (24.158.xx.xx) on Sat 27 Oct 2007 at 16:14
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I generally like Simple Machines Forum, but don't know what it would have to tie into: Drupal? Something else?

And I guess there's the overall question of what we'd gain/lose with adding forums. I've tended to see them as best for quick Q&A, and for lots of discussion, but not as good for long-form posts or other publishing. I'd see forums as being a lower barrier to entry on posting a question, but I'd worry that it would get deluged with trivial, entirely non-Debian, or otherwise poorly thought out questions, and many questions would lie as fallow as some of those types of blog entries*.* Which reminds me of a graduate student on a project I was working on. For two weeks, he says "we're getting these extra bytes in the serial data, and I don't know why," "there's no reason for these to be there," "we're going to have to reverse-engineer the serial protocol," and "I've posted in forums, and nobody knows why these are there!" His advisor asks me to help him out; he gives me the extra bytes that are showing up in the serial stream, and within 30 seconds of searching Google for the extra bytes and his hardware environment, result #5 is a mailing list posting with his exact problem, linking to a 9-page PDF of the entire serial protocol. All done. What I did not tell the student is that there's a difference between "nobody knows why these are there" and "everybody who read your posting thought 'there is no way I'm dealing with this guy who hasn't done his homework'".

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Posted by GhostR (80.128.xx.xx) on Sat 27 Oct 2007 at 16:57
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To be honest: I don't want to see a forum on here at all! There are enough debian/linux forums out there (and google!).
I read DA on a daily basis, usually during breakfast at work and I enjoy it. The tech level is in my eyes intermediate to advanced and that's awesome. I ve seen so much good reading on here and this site helped me so much to bring my debian skills to a higher level and helped me to find new stuff to try. I m scared of that the level will drop and that the forum will get flooded with questions on how to install grub with windows. I think this site should keep doing what it can do best and what it makes it different to other debian sites: Serving good howtos and articles.
The Recent weblogs are almost forum styled posts and thats the perfect mixture and amount to read and follow. A forum would be too overwhelming.
I see this site/community more as a resource site then a Q&A site, there is also nothing wrong in my eyes to "miss use" the Recent weblogs for a good sophisticated "opinion/questions and answer" section. I wouldn't hesitate to do so because I know I would reach the right people on here.

This is my personal opinion, if the trend goes toward a forum - no problem - fine with me and who knows, it could be also a win for the community and give this site a new impulse. So in general, I m mwrs opinion.
What are your reasons to introduce a forum or why do you feel we need one? The "miss used" Recent Weblogs?

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Posted by simonw (84.45.xx.xx) on Sat 27 Oct 2007 at 18:29
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I'm in the "we have enough forums" camp as well.

Most of the less technical questions I can get answered by my local GLUG, the more technical ones usually involve RTFM, RTFS, nntp:u.c.o.l (this usually boils down to asking Nix), or asking some guru I happen to know).

Then again forums might get more eyeballs, and thus more ad revenue, if Steve is hoping to live of passive income.

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Posted by Anonymous (90.195.xx.xx) on Sat 27 Oct 2007 at 19:33
steve wants money that is the main reason he wants to start forums what a business steve you are doing nice business with people weakness

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Posted by Anonymous (82.32.xx.xx) on Sat 27 Oct 2007 at 20:33
Nice to see some friendliness and unsubstantiated accusations from anonymous people!

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Posted by GhostR (80.128.xx.xx) on Sun 28 Oct 2007 at 13:15
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So what!?! If this would be the case, I would not blame him at all to make some spending cash of it. He wouldn't get rich from this anyhow! He writes so many Articles and puts time and effort in this site (I guess not only this one) and it would be only fair to help him a little out.
When I speak for myself, I used a couple of howtos from this site to make my daily job easier, what equals up to greater productivity what leads to greater outturn for my boss. So I win, we win .... what about Steve? I guess he would have a better time hanging out with his girlfriend then getting grap from people who can't even sign their comments with their name. That's Bull! Sorry, makes me angry!
-Toby

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Posted by Anonymous (90.195.xx.xx) on Sun 28 Oct 2007 at 21:27
this is not business this is about helping people using his debian expertise he is already giving publicity in debian forums about his website definitely not correct

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Posted by Steve (82.32.xx.xx) on Sat 27 Oct 2007 at 20:35
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Be nice, or your comments will be deleted.

Steve

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Posted by Steve (82.32.xx.xx) on Sat 27 Oct 2007 at 20:34
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Thats a couple of people saying "No". Good enough for me!

Steve

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Posted by trollll (24.153.xx.xx) on Sun 28 Oct 2007 at 02:29
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Cool!

I had just logged in to second the "I like the articles+comments as an almost forum" comment.

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Posted by ajt (85.211.xx.xx) on Sun 28 Oct 2007 at 16:42
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I'm not opposed to the idea of a forum, but as people can and do post comments to both blogs and articles in a way you could say the DA.org site is a forum in all but name already.

There are useful things to be found on the various forums out there but the signal to noise ratio is much lower than this site. On balance I'd say, as others have, leave things the way they are now.

On the topic of forum software, we use the Perl based YaBB at work, the code is awful but it has got somewhat better over time and I gather it's a lot better than the security nightmare that is the PHP versions of the same.

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"It's Not Magic, It's Work"
Adam

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Posted by dkg (216.254.xx.xx) on Tue 30 Oct 2007 at 14:46
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I see that the consensus is already "no extra forums", but i just wanted to throw my weight in on that side as well. d-a is already a set of forums, and a very high-quality one at that. Adding an additional forum engine would only dilute or distract from the good stuff going on here (not to mention adding yet another codebase for Steve to maintain).

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