Weblog entry #75 for Steve
Items I will not publish upon this site include:
- People having problems with software
Somebody posting a messages saying "I installed application foo and it isn't working, please help!!!one!111one".
Whilst it may well be possible for somebody to help you've not made it easy by posting no logfile entries, or shown any willingness to debug the issue yourself.
It would also not be of general interest.
- Pointers to articles elsewhere
- I'm pleased many people enjoy reading IBM Developerworks articles. But this site isn't the best place to post links to such articles, especially ones that are neither Debian-specific nor even Linux-specific.
(Sure I might personally abuse this site by posting a programming entry, or two, but that is allowed 1) because I say it is, and 2) because those topics are useful to people who wish to setup and maintain a site like this one!)
- Pointers to other sites
I have only rarely posted articles which are "adverts in disguise". I don't care if some company who I've never heard of has released their software under an Open Source License.
There are proper channels for posting press releases, and this isn't one of them.
I think those are the biggies.
I usually will mail people to tell them why I'm not going to post something, but if the submitter was Anonymous then I cannot.
(Sometimes I forget, but I try to do the right thing.)
Other places you might find help:
- Debian Mailing Lists
- Especially Debian-user
- OSNews, LWN, etc. for press releases.
I'm still intending to open the submissions queue and allow users to help decide what gets posted in a Kuro5hin.org-esque manner. There are just a few hurdles to jump through to make it ungamable, and hard to abuse.
(Do people actually care about the queue? I think they might .. but I guess I'm not really an objective party these days.)
(ObRelated: Authors should be able to see their pending pieces, and edit them. This is still work in progress.)Bookmark Update
I updated the new bookmarks so that they are divided into sections.
Comments on this Entry
Thanks, thanks and thanks!
As I've been reading the weblogs here a bit, it seems like a lot of people the writes the questions there instead! Are you giving them a pm or some notification about it or is it ok to do it in the blogs - I can feel that it anoys me a bit when an interesting title covers a questeion...
Pointeres to articles elsewhere
There's plenty of other sites that does such and it's fine and admirable that Debian-Administration keeps it path clear of that but concentrates on the original content and articles.
Pointers to other sites
Well...of course I think is a shame that you don't do such, but then I might be a bit biased as any site would benefit from being visited by the hordes from Debian-Administration :-)
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To be honest I didn't know what to expect when I added the weblog features to the site. They were in the original codebase which I took as my starting point, and I removed them before making the site live for the first time - I figured they were pointless!.
Over time I began to realise that one way of making a community was to encourage people to stay "on" the site more often - making it sticky so I re-added them. Once I did that I started expanding them, adding the ability for users to comment for example.
I've seen three different classes of users so far:
- People who post questions for others to answer.
- People who just write general "life" blog entries.
- People who make detailed entries which seem either to be for their own reference, or to help others out via google searches.
That said I don't think I've ever suggested what people can or cannot post upon their entries. I'm prepared to remove offensive/trolling entries from the site sidebar - but otherwise people are welcome to use them as they see fit.
I find it easiest to read the entries en masse via the planet aggregator, since this shows all of the recent entries without any missing ones. (because the sidebar only shows one entry per-person regardless of how many are posted.)
Personally I feel happy when I see somebody post a question in a weblog, and get it answered. I think it is fair to say that several people have posted questions in their blogs without even trying to submit them as article questsion - and had they done so I would have accepted them.
I'm not sure whether that is because people didn't feel confident it would be accepted, or that they have just seen others do it and get results so they figured they'd do the same.
As for posting links to pieces elsewhere: One of the big reasons I don't do that is because other sites such as yours do that so well already!
It seems that posting a link to an interesting Debian article on HowtoForge is the kind of thing that you're doing - and I am utterly unwilling to compete directly with anybody else, especially somebody doing a good job.
In terms of visitors we seem to be pulling a regular crowd here with a reasonable amount of traffic and I'm slightly worried that this crowd would move on and go elsewhere if I were to diversify too much into just reposting links to other peoples content - rather than limiting things to mostly original content, and focussed questions.
(Thats not to say that I believe linking to articles isn't useful, more that I think there are other people doing a better job of that than I could manage.)
I know that recently there was a piece commenting on the available community sites - it might be worth repeating that every three/six months just to point people at new sites, etc. The alternative is to create a "links" page - but I've always been suspicious of those, with just a list of URIs and a one-line comment I'm not sure how useful they would be.
Allowing voting, etc, might make it more useful but on the downside it'd potentially open things to gaming, something I like to avoid.
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I think there's been very few examples of users using the blog to promote their sites/purposes, so I guess the users and climate here encourages people to be rather respectfull (well, even I don't have a signature urging people to look somewhere else).
As for the scope and content of the site I can't say anything against what you are doing - it's far better to focus on a few things and then become the best in the world at them, rather than to focus at too much and perform mediocre (sorry, can't spell that word).
Looking at visitors, user happiness (however that is measured!) and community respect I'd guess you've chosen a good strategy.
We all have different talents and should use them accordingly - othervise it would be a boring place, this internet, where everything would be the same.
What you can contribute with and what motivates you aren't the same things as I can/will - and that is good. It ensures that we provide different things for whoever our target users are, and gives them an opportunity to get it!
I agree with your concern that if you started posting news items/links to other sites, it could move your audience elsewhere. They don't come here for the news or for a huge link-collection, they come here for the useable content in their daily work with Debian and other flavours of Linux - and starting to change that would not move the site forward, but degrade it imho.
Sorry for the ranting!
Christian
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I think in this article you have clearly menctioned about the people may choose other sites because of some site restrictions yes definitely true because now a days there are lot of websites coming on and they are giving more importance to visitors .I am not sure about your comments on linking to other articles so you are bothering about some of the users may go to other websites or your traffic may be reduced if any one posted another website links.
From my point of view if you are the only person contributing for this site it is well and good.There are lot many people contributing for this site, more important thing is now a days we have got many debian related websites providing good articles and some very good information.
You need to think about what exactly you are expecting from visitors and you need to keep your visitors happy otherwise any website or community will not servive
One thing is clear you don't like other websites links in your website i don't know why really may be because of traffic worries you ?????????
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Interesting comment, thanks.
I'm wondering if perhaps you're misunderstanding what I'm trying to say, which is my fault for being unclear.
There are really a couple of different ways in which people can link elsewhere - via their own weblogs, and via article comments.
Assuming that the links are not spam then either of those are tolerated, and encouraged. For example if there is an article on "Apache" then it is obviously a good thing if there are useful links, and people leave them in the comments.
What I'm not happy with is if people submit an article which is nothing more than a short paragraph and a link somewhere else. Why is that? Well it is because I hope that the articles here will be complete.
If you looked at the site and there was an article which read:
Here's a good guide [link] to installing Ruby On Rails on Debian.
That is the kind of thing that I'm thinking of. I don't think that such "articles" should be posted here because I think that it is nothing more than a redirection service - and there are lots of link agregators out there which would be the place to post such things.
Is that clearer?
If people wish to post links elsewhere, in the blogs, or in their comments, then that is fine. I'd remove something that was obvious commercial spam - which is something authors can also do - but otherwise I'm happy with it.
It isn't so much that I fear the traffic going elsewhere as I'd like to keep things focussed here. So, for example, if there is an article here then the discussion stays here.
I certainly accept that I'm not the sole person here - and if you look back over recent posts you'll see examples of people who've contributed text and made links to other sites. That is fine. It's more the very short single-paragraph entries which I'm keen to avoid.
(To be fair you'll not have seen any of them; since I've not posted them!)
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If you don't mine my suggestion is why don't you take each debian website and put for users reviews so that this would help for people to choose good ones.I belive definitely every website is having strong points and weak points.
If you arrange or if you start this it would help debian community and many users
just my thought only
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I've covered some of the available / newer Debian community sites recently - which I tried to show what was new and start some discussion.
I will try to find the time to do something else like that soon. If you ahve any particular favourite sites please feel free to mention them either in that article, or on this entry.
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That is an interesting idea, and might well be useful. But it is a much bigger job than what I had in mind.
I don't have the time to do something like that - however if you're serious and wish to review a new site every week then I will post them for as long as you can keep them up. Just submit two or so to get started and we'll take it from there.
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