Weblog entry #13 for lykwydchykyn

Interesting to hear it from a sales rep...
Posted by lykwydchykyn on Fri 8 Feb 2008 at 05:05
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Our Novell sales rep came to the office yesterday to talk up all their latest products and sell us everything. He was talking up Linux a lot, getting my Netware-loving coworkers all excited about SLES. They told him I was the "linux guy". He asks what distro I run, but before I could tell him he says:

"Let me guess: Debian?" I confirm.

He says "I thought so. Everyone I talk to who has run Linux for a long time runs Debian."

I wonder what that says, that anyone who has actually worked with Linux for a decent amount of time tends to run Debian. I wonder if he thought about what it means.

 

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Posted by GhostR (217.237.xx.xx) on Fri 8 Feb 2008 at 08:23
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Hehe, almost spilled my coffee! Lovin it!

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Posted by ajt (204.193.xx.xx) on Fri 8 Feb 2008 at 12:04
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There are only a few distros that are both old and still alive for and "old timer" to use: Debian; Slackware; Red Hat and SuSE. The commercial nature of SUSE and Red Hat put a lot of home users off, and Debian is more popular than Slackware.

If the person said "I'm a new Linux user", then the rep should guess Ubuntu.

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Posted by Anonymous (72.237.xx.xx) on Fri 8 Feb 2008 at 17:05
The thing is, I'm not really an "old timer", I've only been using Linux 5 years. I guess I'm biased, but it seems to me Debian really has more staying power for someone who's gotten past the whole "it's not like windows!" issues.

Every time I give SLES a chance, it's just painful to use. It's like using Windows again. Debian seems to have broken the mold in a lot of ways, and once you get accustomed to that other systems seem constraining.

Admittedly, maybe it's just my lack of understanding about SLES.

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Posted by ajt (85.211.xx.xx) on Fri 8 Feb 2008 at 17:38
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Debian isn't just a collection of applications thrown together, it's an attitude. Red Hat gave up trying to everything an concentrated on a sub-set of applications and integrated just them, Canonical do the same with *buntu.

Debian tries and to some extent succeeds, in trying trying to integrate everything in a single logical way. Debian isn't perfect, but it's pretty damn good and considering how much it costs and how much money is put in to build and maintain it, it is a fantastic achievement.

I suppose once you "buy" into Debain, anything that's not Debian seems so primitive, lacking bits and totally lacking in integration.

I've used Red Hat/CentOS (I'm Red Hat certified), Solaris (2.5/2.6 era) and AIX 5.3L (I'm IBM trained), but I still think Debian is a better integrated solution than all of them. Mind you as I one said, once you know something well you are hardly an unbiased observer...!

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Posted by mwr (24.158.xx.xx) on Fri 8 Feb 2008 at 13:52
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Oddly enough, as I was talking to a much newer sysadmin type at work the other day, I said my Windows-managing coworker couldn't take on any extra labs or systems, and that I wanted nothing to do with managing anything with a Windows logo on it. A nearby student worker asked "what around here doesn't have a Windows logo on it?"

"Well, a few dozen servers downstairs, three labs upstairs that we dual-boot into a cluster when the labs are closed, blahblahblah..." (my Nagios monitor is up around 100 Linux, Solaris, or dual-boot systems)

"Oh. What do they run?"

"Debian."

"Of course."

And the newer folks might not have seen this one: "Debian. You peasant."

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Posted by ajt (85.211.xx.xx) on Fri 8 Feb 2008 at 17:54
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It may be easier to administer one Windows box rather than one Debian box. personally in my experience I don't even think a single isolated Windows box is that easy to look after - but that's debatable anyway. When you get to 10 boxes, is funny to watch a Windows administrator struggle with them, to a Unix/Linux administrator once you move beyond a handful of machines it doesn't matter how many you have, it's all scripted so it's only how long it takes to do something that matters, not how many machine machines you have to do things too!

I like Debian because it's got lots of things in it, it's all well integrated, and stable is stable for long enough to not to have to upgrade too often without being to ancient. Plus on Debian boxes you just upgrade them without pain, not an easy or reliable option on Red Hat or Windows boxes.

If I recall, doesn't the controller make them run BSD..?

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Posted by Anonymous (90.227.xx.xx) on Mon 18 Feb 2008 at 11:29
I am all for Debian (runs it on all my computers, except the router).
But MS Windows can also be scripted. But there is not that many skilled sysadms out there, that knows how to handle MS Windows networks...

But dispite MS Windows are possible, Debian beats it in all ways. Even when you start talking drivers. That is really a mess in MS Windows.

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Posted by ajt (204.193.xx.xx) on Mon 18 Feb 2008 at 13:21
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I'm willing to believe that a decent Windows system admin is worth their weight in gold, because they are so scarce. Most Windows users (home/office) and Windows administrators I've known, use Windows dreadfully. I know Microsoft certified administrators who's eyes glaze over at the simplest of batch scripts...

I believe that it's better now than previously, but Microsoft even wrote a report stating that the move of Hotmail from BSD/Unix to Microsoft Windows was a technical disaster because Windows just doesn't scale or automate as well as Unix does...

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Posted by Anonymous (201.210.xx.xx) on Sat 9 Feb 2008 at 18:53
With debian if I want software I just aptitude install.
It just works, what can be better?

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Posted by brittdun (70.61.xx.xx) on Tue 12 Feb 2008 at 04:38
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I totally agree with you lykwydchykyn. To me, debian is the most stable, user-friendly, distro I've found. I, personally run Mepis 7 which switched from Ubuntu to Debian for version 7. I absolutely love it. It enhances my computing-experience. I feel dorky for saying that but it's true.

I was never so happy when I switched from rpm-based distros, to debian. Seems as though debian is the all-inclusive, best-supported linux distribution out there.

Woohoo!!

Hugs,
Brittany

SimplyMepis 7, KDE 3.5.8, Evolution, Firefox
2.6.22-1-mepis-smp

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