Weblog entry #7 for orchid

udev on sid
Posted by orchid on Sat 28 Jan 2006 at 14:18
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This morning on my backup computer I did a weekly upgrade and as usual lots of packages needed upgrading, but one package hotplug, was marked to be removed and replaced with udev. I knew this was a big leap, I have seen the bug reports for udev and of course the hundreds of posts on the debian-user mailing lists. I thought though that sooner or later I will have to make the switch and let it do the upgrade. When I rebooted, the wireless card didn't come up, there was no sound and no X server. For this machine its not a big deal because I pretty much use it for backing up my other computers, and testing upgrades like today's so that I can see what problems I will have on my main desktop.

The X server wont come up because it cannot find /dev/input/mice, this seemed easy enough to fix, I tried /dev/input/mice, /dev/input/mouse0-3 and /dev/psaux with no success. I guess its moved somewhere? There is no sound because of a missing /dev/dsp, even though its the same device and symlink as on my non udev desktop


armarda:~#  ll /dev/dsp
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2005-04-10 01:22 /dev/dsp -> /dev/dsp0
armarda:~#  play /usr/share/bzflag/missile.wav
sox: Can't open output file '/dev/dsp': No such device
The Atheros wireless won't work because the modules I had compiled are no longer automatically loaded. So I have to manually do

modprobe wlan
modprobe ath_pci
modprobe ath_hal
ifup ath0
This is something I never really understood. When I do a modprobe _foo_ the next time I rebooted, _foo_ was then automatically loaded. I do not know how this happens but it just did. Now I do not know where to look to fix it.

So...some poking around on the web is needed to fix this mess. I think my kernel 2.6.8 might be a problem, I might need a newer one? The other, most tempting option is to remove udev and reinstall hotplug. But if udev is no going to go away, it seems like something I should probably learn to deal with.

In the meantime, my main desktop will sit and wait, I will just put udev on hold for now and update all the other packages. I should mention that because I am running unstable, these things from time to time do happen and I should take it in stride and go find the appropriate documentation.

 

Comments on this Entry

Posted by k2 (69.157.xx.xx) on Tue 31 Jan 2006 at 06:54
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You will need to install atleast 2.6.12 in order to use udev. You might have missed the warning as it clearly states the kernel requirements. The latest versions which want you to purge hotplug are incompatible with earlier kernels.

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Posted by orchid (64.26.xx.xx) on Tue 31 Jan 2006 at 19:59
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ahh! thank you very much, on that particular desktop I am using 2.6.8
I will install a later kernel but I cannot use the debian kernels out of the box, as they don't support (at last check) high mem for 2gb ram, and rtc and few other modules I need.

So, I will get a newer kernel, recompile it to add the things I need and then do the udev upgrade once more.

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Posted by orchid (64.26.xx.xx) on Wed 1 Feb 2006 at 19:45
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K2 thanks again, I updated both machines last night and am running udev now with no problems

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Posted by k2 (69.157.xx.xx) on Fri 3 Feb 2006 at 04:51
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You are welcome. I'm glad I could be of help. And I want to know how to drive the tank ;)

I think Steve mixed up something as I can see "Delete this comment" on each entry! Let me try and delete some :p

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Posted by Anonymous (69.235.xx.xx) on Sun 5 Feb 2006 at 14:03
Doh! I have a Debian system and I was so hoping you had some great insight on this sound problem. LOL All well at least I am not alone in my new adventure of Linux...

Beth
hugaholic@rocketmail.com

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Posted by k2 (69.157.xx.xx) on Sun 5 Feb 2006 at 20:45
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Beth, search on lists.debian.org or the debian-user list for our sound problem. You can search the specific site from google using by using a query similar to: sound alsa site:lists.debian.org.Posting to debian-user list is also a good option if you can't find anything from your searches.

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